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Suge Knight Speaks On Tupac
Sept. 20, 1996 -- Las
Vegas police say they still have no leads on suspects or motive
in the murder of rapper and actor Tupac Shakur, who died last Friday,
the 13th, after being gunned down in a drive-by following the Mike
Tyson-Bruce Seldon boxing match September 7th. Meanwhile, on Thursday
night in Los Angeles, we spoke with Marion "Suge" Knight,
head of Tupac's label, Death Row Records, and the man who was driving
the car, sitting right next to Tupac when he was shot. Knight, who
himself was grazed in the head by a bullet, was prevented by lawyers
from addressing the shooting itself... But here, for the first time
on television, he speaks publicly about its aftermath.
MTV: How are you feeling,
and how are you doing physically?
MARION "SUGE"
KNIGHT, CEO, Death Row Records: I feel like this: I feel that the
last word is always God, but Pac saved my life. He's my... Pac saved
my life. I got shot in the head -- got grazed some other places
-- but I still got the bullet in my head. It's still here.... Before,
I was tryin' to get him to the hospital -- didn't make me realize
that I was shot. Because usually, when you get shot in the head,
the first thing the person do is panic. You know, BAM! I'm shot
in the head! I'm about to die! And once you do that, you can't drive
nowhere. My whole thing was Pac -- he was shot. I'm like, "You're
shot! Let me get you to the hospital." I'm driving, telling
him I'm gonna get him to the hospital, kicked back, Pac looked at
me and said, "You know what? You need a doctor more than me.
You the one shot in your head." And we laughed the whole time
finding our way to the hospital. That's the conversation we had.
It wasn't... Pac was a man the whole time. It wasn't that he was
like, "OOOhhh, I'm shot!" He crackin' jokes. He's like,
"Yeah, they shot me." But he said, "But you shot
in your head. Look at your head. You see how much it's bleedin'?
Look how much it's bleedin'." That was Pac. And I'm like, "Man,
shut up, we'll get you to the doctor."
MTV: So he was conscious
on the way to the hospital?
KNIGHT: He was conscious
on the way to the hospital, he was conscious in the... labs, he
was conscious after they did surgery.
MTV: What was the last
thing that he said to you?
KNIGHT: That he loved
me. You know, he was going... he was gettin' there. I'm like, "Pac,
you're gonna be the last one left." But we talked this out.
We talked it. He said, "No, I'm straight. I love you, homey.
I'm gonna be straight." "I love you too." That's
where he was.
MTV: There was a report
earlier this week in "The New York Post" that Tupac was
looking to leave Death Row Records. Is that true?
KNIGHT: You should answer
that. You don't take a person like Tupac, who, if you listen to
every song on "All Eyez On Me," every song on "Machiavelli,"
every time he do an interview, what's the first thing he say? Death
Row. Tupac loved Death Row. Tupac loved me. I loved him. I mean,
Tupac took Death Row to the next level. I mean, we worked hard,
we laid the foundation down, Snoop took the baton and he ran with
it. And he did a great job with it. But Tupac got the baton, not
only did he win the race, he finished so fast he able to sit back
and drink some thug passion in, and come up with another play. If
you'd asked Tupac that question that was he planning on leaving
Death Row, he definitely would have cussed you out.
MTV: A lot of people
in the hip hop community have said that this incident will change
hip hop. This is a really landmark event -- tragic event, at that.
And that the music will probably never be the same. Do you see the
direction of Death Row changing? Is there going to be a different
type of music put out?
KNIGHT: Not at all.
We gonna do thing we've been doing, and set our records like I said
before. My main goal is fulfill Tupac's dreams. And Tupac would
definitely never want the music to change.... So we'll keep it the
way he would like it. I feel like that it's my job to make sure
all Pac's dreams is fulfilled, and he stay alive, and keep Death
Row alive. I'm not gonna go and say, "Well, just 'cause it's
a little crazy in this world, so, I'm gonna sit down somewhere."
I'm not gonna sit down nowhere. I'm gonna walk the pattern, talk
the same talk, fulfill all his dreams, and lay real low.
Also Thursday night,
Tupac's label-mate Snoop Doggy Dogg told us that this is a very
emotional time right now for him, as well. Snoop's new album, "Tha
Doggfather," is due out November 5th, the same day as Tupac's
EP "Machiavelli." Meanwhile, as expected, in the wake
of Tupac's death, sales of his latest album "All Eyez On Me"
soared -- 40,000 copies moved in the past week; and on Monday's
"Billboard" pop albums chart the album leaps from number
69 to number 18. Tupac's previous album, "Me Against The World,"
also got a sales bump, and re-enters the chart at number 99. As
for Tupac's posthumous "Machiavelli" EP, its cover will
bear a painting, commissioned by Tupac before his death, that will
seem prophetic: it shows Shakur on a cross, with bullet holes in
his body, and light pouring through the holes along with his blood.
Also stuck to the cross are notes naming the many cities in which
Tupac had run-ins with the law.
Speaking of prophetic,
Wednesday night MTV premiered the latest video from "All Eyez
On Me," for the track "I Ain't Mad Atcha," directed
a month ago by Tupac himself, with the help of J. Kevin Swain. The
video opens with Tupac being shot to death by an unknown assailant,
then follows him to heaven, where he's greeted by a Redd Foxx look-alike,
and raps against a background populated by likenesses of Jimi Hendrix,
Miles Davis, Sammy Davis Junior, and other deceased black music
stars.
Two memorials to Tupac
were announced this week: one, for Thursday morning in Los Angeles.
It was promptly canceled by its organizer, Death Row Records, which
said it could not find a venue big enough to satisfy fan demand.
The Nation of Islam set Sunday as a "Hip Hop Day of Atonement"
at a mosque, once used by Malcolm X, in New York City's Harlem district.
The Nation's youth coordinator Conrad Mohammed said the event would
"call for an end to the maddening destruction of the black
community" -- sentiments echoed in a letter to Tupac, acquired
by MTV News, that his step-father Mutulu Shakur wrote upon learning
of Tupac's death. Mutulu, a Black Panther in jail for helping another
Panther trying escape prison, wrote, "Will your levitation
be the awakening of us all? The division unsettling to our dreams
and goals... Your passing demanding repentance and resistance."
We got more reaction to Tupac's murder last weekend in Las Vegas,
where fans held a vigil at the intersection where Tupac was killed,
and from rappers in Los Angeles who were taping MTV next "Rock
and Jock" game.
DAPHNE, 36: We know
what his music was about. Lot of people, some people don't. But
we know his music was down for our people. We listen to it. We have
it. We know the messages, y'know, the words that he's saying and
everything. And, you know, we miss him. Its just like I'm losing
a son.
EMMITT, 22 (gesturing
to a large tattoo on his stomach): That's for like, all the pain
that we done went through. I suffered the same life he just suffered,
living that street life, that thug life. All of it's real. Just
'cause you get famous don't mean nothing. Enemies still catch up
with you.
MAN 1: I looked up the
night Tupac died, they pronounced him dead, and I seen one star
in the sky and it was kind of hazy 'cause it was cloudy. but you
know what I figured is that was Tupac... you know what I'm sayin'?
That's how I looked at it.
WOMAN 1: Only God should
judge Tupac. We should not, nobody should say whether he was a thug,
he didn't represent this, he didn't represent that. God should judge
that man, you know? And I just say, I hope he rests in peace. I'll
see him at the crossroads.
SPINDERELLA, Salt N'
Pepa: I hope his life is an example to a lot of kids out there.
He spoke of a lot of things in his music, and that's because he
went through a lot, y'know? So, the things that he said, hopefully,
it'll teach these kids out there that are tryin' to run around,
doin' this, doin' bad things and everything, that there is life
ahead. Life goes on.
METHOD MAN: This
is an eye-opener right here. Hopefully, for all the youth, kids,
I mean, even the grown-ups, everybody, I hope this is an eye-opener,
man. Word up. 'Cause they should see, right now, the violence is
not the key, and that it's real. Bullets is real, guns is real,
you know, all that stuff is real, man. It's up to us as artists
to take responsibility for what we're saying in our records and
on our albums and things of that nature, you know. But it's like,
you can't water down the hip hop, you can't water down the ghetto.
It's like, when those shots go off, the kid, the average kid in
the ghetto can't close his eyes to it. This is not a television
show, this is reality, real-life drama.